The Other Side of the FCLO Scandal

From the very start I had never wanted to get involved with the politics revolving around the FCLO scandal. Politics are synonymous with ulterior motives, lies, and half-truths –...

From the very start I had never wanted to get involved with the politics revolving around the FCLO scandal. Politics are synonymous with ulterior motives, lies, and half-truths – none of which I have much time for.  However, as the dust settles on the scandal, and more science is coming to light you do have to look at the politics to fully understand what has gone on, and why Green Pastures were attacked with such ferocity with so little evidence.

It is hard to know where to start with the scandal, but for me, it starts somewhere is mid 2013, which was when I first came across a product called Extra Virgin Cod Liver oil (EVCLO). At the time, I thought the EVCLO website was another site owned by Rosita (which is the company that make EVCLO) but it is actually owned by the owners of Corganic/ Organic 3 (a health site specialising in supplements for sufferers of gut and psychology syndrome and similar disorders). I spoke with the guys at EVCLO back in 2013 as I was interested in selling their product here in the UK, but it was early days, communication and organisation were poor, and we didn’t get very far. I kept a close eye on them though, and regularly visited their site hoping someday, when EVCLO was a bit more established, we would be able to sell their product.

Rosita make EVCLO, but I now know it was the brain child of the guys over at Corganics, and the site is run by Corganics. Nothing wrong with this at all of course, but when you know the connection between EVCLO and Corganics it casts another shadow on some of the events which went on since I discovered them.


A bit of background

The owners of Corganics are heavily involved with the Weston A price foundation (WAPF). In fact, Dan Corrigan (co owner of Corganic helped run the first WAPF chapter in 2001) so it is quite safe to say that a large proportion of their customers were from the WAPF community. The WAPF strongly recommend a brand of cod liver oil called Green Pastures Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO), and it is on their recommendation of this brand that Green Pastures have been very successful globally.

For a short time, Corganics sold this brand of cod liver oil, but many of their customers complained about it because it upset their sensitive digestive systems, and so after 8 months Corganics stopped selling it and started looking for alternatives. This led Archie Welch (co-owner of Corganics) to discover Rosita in 2012, which at the time was a producer of Ratfish oil in Norway.

Archie discussed the possibility of Rosita producing a cod liver oil using their extraction methods, and they began developing the product called he calls Extra Virgin Cod Liver Oil (EVCLO). It was during the development stages of the product that I first came across the EVCLO website.

Obviously, nothing wrong with all of this – one company is helping the other create a great product and launch it in the US market. Companies do this all the time. However, consider this through out the rest of the article: the main target audience of this product in the US is the WAPF members, most of which will be taking Fermented Cod Liver Oil.


Slander campaign

During the final stages of the EVCLO production (which took 2 years), I noticed a considerable amount of Green Pastures slandering online. At the time, I hadn’t realised there was a connection between Corganics, EVCLO and the WAPF (I have nothing to do with WAPF) at the time, I didn’t think much of it, but looking back now, I’m not so sure. Here are some highlights, but this is by no means the full extent:

    • Jan 2013 sees the following blog post published by Sarah Smith (a co-leader of a WAPF chapter), saying how she is switching from FCLO to EVCLO after collaborating with Archie Welch (co-owner of Corganics) on a project (
    • In 2013 EVLO publish the following article about cod liver oil, which says fermented cod liver oil is less nutritious than fresh oil. (
    • in 2014 shortly after the launch of EVCLO, we see a very negative campaign launched against FCLO through social media. Much of this has been deleted, but the remnants of fake Facebook profiles promoting EVCLO still remain. The EVCLO site clearly makes attacks against fermented cod liver oil, and Dan Corrigan instigates open attacks against FCLO, sayings its production methods are a fallacy because oil cannot fermented (not that anyone claimed the oil fermented, it is the liver that ferments). This makes a lot of WAPF members doubt the authenticity of fermented cod liver oil, and look for an alternative, and you can read about all of this more here:
    • Sept 2014 – we see the owner of Rosita publish a video suggesting that Green Pastures purchase their oil from China (or at least Alibaba, which is a Chinese wholesale site).

This kind of activity is unethical to say the least. The owner of Corganics and Rosita have gone out of their way to spread lies about how their direct competition source and process their product. It puts EVCLO in a bad light and paints the picture of an untrustworthy company who are quite happy to lie. And for what? Money? Well, I don’t think you lie like this just to improve peoples health. The motives are speculation on my part, but I don’t doubt that 2 years of experimenting with cod livers costs money, which needs to be recouped. In a recent interview Archie Welch says that at some point he had Rosita on the phone saying  “we’ve got these fishermen out there, and if we don’t keep them busy we will lose them” and “I don’t know if we can keep doing production on this”. To me, this sounds like someone who wants more sales for financial reasons, not for the spreading of health. Perhaps sales of EVCLO didn’t go the way Corganics has expected (not surprising considering the WAPF rated FCLO better than EVCLO), and so tried to take measures to improve their sales, or, perhaps a slander campaign against FCLO was the plan all along.

Now I’m not saying that a company needing to make money makes them evil, but they way they decide to go about it can.

The WAPF warned Corganics about slandering FCLO, at which point EVCLO/ Corganics apologise for their actions and remove what they can of their campaign against FCLO (although there are still comments on the EVCLO blog which mention their unethical marketing). However, the members of WAPF still didn’t seem to take to EVCLO, possibly because WAPF said that FCLO was better than EVCLO, but I think that their obvious slander campaign didn’t do them any favours either.

Since the removal of the slander campaign, discussions about EVCLO and their online activity seemed to die down. Blog posts on the EVCLO site (which previously had been regular) stopped in November 2014 and the general feel that I got was that FCLO was still the favourite cod liver oil in the global health community, and EVCLO was known about, but not used by the masses.

It was around this time (the serendipitous timing hasn’t gone unnoticed) that Dr.Kaayla was expressing her concerns to the WAPF that FCLO was rancid, and in February 2015 the WAPF did test the FCLO at MidWest Laboratories for several rancidity bio-markers (of which none were found). In the same month, Dr. Kaayla decided to do her own research and sent her own samples of FCLO to labs for testing.

On the 20th August 2015, Dan Corrigan published an article saying how Weston A.Price would love EVCLO, and the following day, Dr. Kaayla published her report on the authenticity of FCLO based on her own interpretation of her findings (the timing of which I find coincidental). Kaayla’s report resulted in an explosion in the WAPF community (I can only assume because people mindlessly only read her conclusions, and not her methods/findings, because her findings don’t match her conclusions), with many people turning on Green Pastures.

Regardless of the lack of scientific validity of the study, a rift was made in the WAPF community, and in almost all articles and discussions about it, you will find someone recommending EVCLO as an alternative to Green Pastures FCLO, or rather, rancid Pollock oil, which is what Kaayla and others took to naming FCLO.

Kaayla, who was vice president of WAPF quickly co-founded another organisation (Primal Paleo & Price Foundation, or PPPF) after she was kicked out of the WAPF, and a sponsor of this new foundation is Corganics.

Funnily enough, despite there being so much evidence to show that FCLO doesn’t contain anything toxic, people refuse to accept they are wrong about FCLO and still claim that it is toxic despite not knowing anything about lipid chemistry. I’ve had people email say that are worried that ‘the vitamins have gone rancid after only a few weeks’, which makes no sense!

I’ve asked Ann Marie Michaels (who has taken a very active role against Green Pastures) a number of times to let me know what exactly in FCLO is so toxic, and, after much dancing around the subject, she tells me that it’s the free fatty acids, because they prove the oil is rancid, and so toxic (despite free fatty acids not being toxic).

Anyway, I’ve vented enough on Kaayla’s report all ready. Suffice to say, it is a clear and unfounded attack against Green Pastures and the WAPF.


The Kaayla/ Corganic connection

There is a clear motive for Corganic to slander Green Pastures and the WAPF. Corganic’s EVCLO will only ever be second best in the eyes of the WAPF, and so their EVCLO would never reach the level they wanted, but what about Kaayla? How is she connected to EVCLO/ Corganics?

There is no doubt that Kaayla and the owners of Corganics know each other, and have for many years. I’ve also read that Kaayla was unhappy with the way Sally Fallon (President of the WAPF) was doing things with the WAPF, so perhaps Kaayla saw this as a way to cripple the WAPF and start her own foundation (which has actually happened). This, considering the unethical actions of Kaayla and Corganic we have seen, wouldn’t surprise me.

I can’t prove this of course, but I do think that there has been some collaboration between Dr. Kaayla and Corganics in the systematic attack on the WAPF/ Green Pastures, and seeing as they have both benefited from the resulting chaos, I think it would be quite likely.


The darker shadow

EVCLO has demonstrated its unethical marketing, but tests by the Norwegian Food Safety Authority have shown that oils produced by Rosita contain pollutants above the safe limit. I spoke to Rosita about this, and they say that they were tricked by the Norwegian authorities into providing a contaminated sample. Usually, I would be more than happy to give Rosita the benefit of the doubt, but considering the barefaced lying that their company has done already, I’m not so sure. It’s your judgement to make.

So, not only are EVCLO acting unethically, but their product might also be poisons.



So, to summarise the events:

Corganics invested heavily into the development of EVCLO, upon release of this product, the WAPF rated it below FCLO, and so sales were poor. Either in reaction to this, or as part of their marketing plan, Corganics/ EVCLO and Rosita launched a malicious campaign against Green Pastures, which included accusing them of purchasing ingredients from China, lying about their producing methods, and saying that FCLO is lower in vitamins than EVCLO. This campaign got EVCLO noticed, but the lies and rumours they were spreading were unfounded and obviously malicious, so peoples opinion of the company fell. After a warning from the WAPF about EVCLO’s behaviour, they apologies for their actions, and removed much of their campaign.

The slander campaign seemed to end in late 2014, which is when I suspect Corganics started conferring with Dr. Kaayla, because shortly after the end of the slander campaign Dr. Kaayla voices her concern about FCLO being rancid. The WAPF sent out samples of FCLO to Midwest Labs and Leicester School of Pharmacy which shows that FCLO had no lipid peroxide species and is safe. Despite the evidence showing that FCLO is not toxic, Dr.Kaayla decides to do her own research (you need to ask yourself why), and publishes a damning report against FCLO. Dr. Kaaylas research is riddled with flaws but this seems to mean very little considering her position of trust in the WAPF (vice president). People read her conclusions and chaos ensues, resulting in the WAPF and Green Pastures being accused of fraud, lying and worse.

As a result of the chaos Dr. Kaayla establishes her own foundation (PPPF), people are encouraged to get rid of their FCLO and take EVCLO, and according to Archie Welch sales of EVCLO are starting to increase.

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    • Laurent Langlais

      Your article highlights some interesting connections, but also make sounds your hypothesis like a conspiracy theory – which doesn’t serve your cause. You might want to use the moderation of speech that you are preaching for your own work. For example:” but their product might also be poisons” is certainly at the same level as someone else saying that FCLO is toxic with the same amount of very little evidence. If you want to be taken seriously with what is otherwise an interesting article, then just expose facts rather than casting judgment as on what now are hypothesis. You can’t say “ECVLO migth be poison” along with “Despite the evidence showing that FCLO is not toxic” because you are taking side and the amount of evidence is confusing on both sides.
      Rather than presenting facts and let people decide, you have decided that ECVLO are the bad guys and Green Pastures the good ones – and this is an opinion bias. You have not however hilighted the retro-pedaling of Green Pastures several time for example, neither the recommendations of the WAPF that were changed and then deleted from their web history (up to several tablespoon a day), the pressure that they have put on their chapter leaders since this case to keep endorsing FCLO and the brushing off of their concerns, nor the testimonial or Dr Schmidt on his cardiac arythmia with FCLO etc. It is obvious that everyone has had some unethical behaviour in this case at some point, not just ECVLO. Another example is that you show Dr Daniel as having a sinister plan from day one – while the chain of events might have been incidental. The fact that she knew the people from ECVLO does not mean much – everyone knowns each other in the field of traditional nutrition. It is very puzzling to see you emphasizing that ECVLO was sponsoring one of the Weston A Price conference and say “The owners of Corganics are heavily involved with the Western A price foundation” without also stating that Green Pastures has been a much more active financial sponsors for years. Surely if we cast doubts on the integrity of a company because they are doing business with the WAPF, we must then apply the same logic on the competitor doing it even more so?! Saying that people have vested interest into promoting a product over another because of financial connections would be akin to casting doubts on your unbiased views, as announced on your home page, because you have an online shop selling FCLO on the same site and not ECVLO. That would be…unfortunate.

      Lastly, by spelling the Weston A Price foundation Western several times, once can wonder if you have studied your topic toroughly enough…The Weston A Price work and foundation have been around for decades and one would expect that someone studying nutrition knows that Weston is a first name instead of Western as a noun…
      Food for thoughts to improve your work, but thanks for providing more facts on this complicated matter Craig.

      • thehealthcloud

        Thanks for taking the time to read the article.

        I do say ‘might’ be poisons, I am not claiming it is so. Kaayla says that FCLO IS toxic, I am giving EVCLO the benefit of the doubt, something FCLO haven’t have had.

        I haven’t said that EVCLO sponsored WAPF, I said they are heavily involved, because Dan Corrigan started one of the first chapters in 2001, and they have had a strong involvement since.

        Also, I have no association with WAPF, and outside of the traditional healing circles, they do not feature in nutritional research (especially in the UK). I have indeed been studying nutrition for a number of years, and the only time I have come into contact with the WAPF is in the context of GP. I can’t say I much care for the way the WAPF do things tbh, and don’t have anything to do with them. It is worth noting that despite the relationship between GP and WAPF, they are different organisations, and shouldn’t be treated as one. The spelling I will get onto though, and suspect it may have been a spell check error.

        GP have indeed changed their site – this has been documented elsewhere many times. However, with so much slander against GP, I felt it was only fair to highlight the shortcomings of Corganics/ EVCLO too. To cover EVERYTHING would make for a long and complicated article indeed, and the purpose of this article was to simply look at the other side of the scandal. There has been a lot of GP bashing, but no one mentions the instigators (EVCLO), which is the other side. The focus of the article is to look at the behaviour of EVCLO and Corganics.

        Yes, we do sell FCLO, because we believe it is a great product. I was looking into EVCLO too (for years), but based on their actions have decided against it. We don’t have any affiliation to a specific product or brand though. If EVCLO was exceptional and FCLO proven to be toxic, then we would switch for sure.

        • Marie Lynette Johnson

          The rest of your “article” is more of the same. Over and over, “slander” and “unethical” for switching from one product to another! Let me just say that the quality of Green Pastures CLO speaks for itself. You are sure there is a conflict of interest, when it would most likely work the other way. Chapter leaders would hardly bash FCLO instead of promoting both brands! They are bashing the product because they really dislike it. Denounce as unethical companies that simply sell their own product-and you sell FCLO! As great an “involvement” as the one you condemn. Now, having sold FCLO, did you ever once taste it?

    • Victor Cozzetto

      Wow, another great article Craig. So glad that you are not shy about saying and doing what needs to be said and done.

    • Marie Lynette Johnson

      You l.ost me when you said “Green Pastures slandering.” And you like saying “there is nothing wrong with this” to imply that there IS something wrong with it.
      Here we have members of WAPF dropping a product recommended by WAPF, and you think there’s nothing wrong with it? This is not slander to say it tastes bad. Rotten eggs smell bad, not just in some people’s opinion.
      Once again, I see from your comment below, you call it slander. You haven’t mentioned what item someone said that is untrue.

      • Hi Marie, sorry if I lost you in this article. When I say ‘there is nothing wrong with this’, I actually mean that. I do not mean to imply anything other than what I say. The only times I say ‘there is nothing wrong with this’, is in the context of Rosita having a relationship with Corganics, which I do think there is nothing wrong with. What I disagree with, is the unethical marketing they have been doing against Green Pastures. There is something wrong with this – it is unethical, and I say as much.

        You seem to me reading things into what I’m saying that don’t exist. There are no hidden messages or anything here, what I say is exactly what I mean.

    • Casey Heyward

      After careful review of many articles on both sides, I find that both sides are as corrupt as the other, and both have biased storm troopers that do the dirty work on their behalf. When in doubt, follow the money. And when following the money, Green Pastures is just as guilty, if not more so, then the others…….. so, I conclude that, until we can put our own barrels of cod fish livers on our own front porches, we are are slaves to the lies of all companies involved, including their soldiers, like the author of this article. FML

      • HI Casey,

        Sorry if you feel like I have lied somewhere – I do not feel this is the case. Any facts I quote are facts, and have references. I am very clear about where I make speculations also. The purpose of this article is to highlight the fact that Rosita EVCLO are not without their short comings and dubious behavour. I thought it was appropriate as there was so much slandering about Green Pastures, yet no one put the spot light on Rosita.

        If there is anything specificaly that you would like to question please do. We are human and although I try and research things in great detail, we make mistakes. Perhaps I overlooked a fact that you are aware of, in which case, it would be very useful to bring it to light.

        Although I think storm toopers are awesome, I am not for sale to any company, nor am I being paid by any company. I research things in great detail, and so am not a the storm trooper you think I am.

    • Steve Tallent

      After watching the video, it seems pretty clear that somebody was trying to source a ton of Skate Liver OIl from Asia through Alibaba. If not GPP, then somebody using all of GPP’s information. I’m not sure how posting that video pointing out that somebody was trying to source using GPPs information was unethical, except that you don’t like it. I mean, it’s like being a cop and not liking that somebody posted a video of a cop abusing his/her authority or beating up somebody. It is probably not representative of the whole, but it is definitely true. The video doesn’t make any insinuations. I mean, if somebody was using my company information to source something through a low quality channel and somebody posted a video like that, I am sure I would at first be scrambling because of the obvious implications. But then I would be able to respond to it and hopefully ferret out the persons doing such a thing. Easy enough for GPP to say, “That wasn’t us, we don’t source from there or like that.” This video draws no conclusions. It is just visual facts. How is that slanderous or unethical, no matter who did it?

      I know that you are trying to come across as reasonable and fair, but your conflict of interest is showing. The way that you vaguely describe the contaminated Rosita oils is an indication. You provide just enough information to make it a trueish accounting, but don’t report all of the information because it would not strengthen your case against Rosita Cod Liver OIl. The contaminated oil incident has nothing to do with unethical business practices or activities against GPP. It merely helps you to smear the name of Rosita, cast aspersions on their CLO and keep selling Green Pasture products. And if your misrepresentation doesn’t sell your readers, you flat out accuse them of bare faced lying without actually pointing out any lies they have told. As you well know, it was raw Ratfish oil that was found to be contaminated, even though a sample of raw EVCLO was collected and tested at the same time. Ratfish are bottom dwelling garbage eaters and are known to have those contaminants. That’s why there is a cleansing process for it (which EVCLO goes through as well).

      “in February 2015 the WAPF did test the FCLO at MidWest Laboratories for several rancidity bio-markers.” This statement just isn’t true at all. WAPF didn’t commission the testing. In Feb 2015, WAPF published purported test results given to them by GPP to put a stop to the rumblings in the ranks. MidWest Laboratories is the lab GPP uses. When WAPF actually did some testing, they sent it to the UK. I say purported, because it is not the original paperwork from the tests, so we don’t actually know what the tests looked like, or what the sample was, or who paid for it to be done, or even WHEN it was done, all of which are criteria for WAPF to publish test results on its site, according to their published guidelines. Apparently they are willing to fudge for FCLO. I have personally seen WAPF change information on published test results, and since even a lot of GPP posted test results show high levels of amines, and this shows almost none, I’m not sure what to think about this. Maybe GPP sorted through its years of testing and found one that looked incredible and gave that to WAPF to post?

      I stopped selling FCLO because for years, GPP was selling me a product that was labeled cod, which I was selling to my customers as a product derived from cod, and then come to find out that not only wasn’t it premium Atlantic cod, which they repeatedly implied and which is the traditional source of CLO, some of it wasn’t even cheap Pacific cod. Some of it wasn’t even from fish was allowed to be labeled cod by the FDA. That’s fraud. GPP made me a part of their fraud. GPP put me in a position to defraud my customers. GPP knew better. They knew the FDA label regulations. They knew it wasn’t allowed. They knew it was illegal. They chose to ignore the FDA label requirements. They deceived me, and I helped them deceive and defraud my customers. And they weren’t a bit apologetic about it. EVCLO is exceptional, FCLO is at best questionable (the extremely low Vitamin D levels many are reporting that are rebounding when they quit FCLO are interesting), and GPP has repeatedly tried to deceive me and my customer with clever wording and outright falsehoods. Case closed for me. And yeah, I lost 3-5% of my revenue by making that decision and have gotten back less than 1% by selling alternate products. But I don’t feel I have to worry about customer damaging their health or being defrauded because of a product I’m selling.

      • Hi Steve,

        Thanks for taking the time to read this and respond. I am farmiliar with your company and involvement in this issue, and I know it is important to you. I’ll try and address the concerns you have raised:

        1 – The video. This video was posted by Bengt Svensson, who is part of the Rosita company. It shows the same phrases being used on the Alibaba Document as on the GP website, and it highlights matching dates etc. Although there is no audio, it really does suggest to me that Bengt is showing that GP products are bought from Alibaba. He also says in the description that ‘this video is evidence of fraud, big time fraud’. It is a strange video for someone so heavily involved in Rosita to make, this is my point. This video draws no conclusions, true, but it raises questions. Why make it, what is Bengt trying to show etc The way I interpreted the video was as I have said, and I beleive it is a lie. GP make their own products themselves, and don’t import them from China.

        2 – Contaminated oil. If a company sells uncleaned ratfish oil to the publich which is toxic, it is unethical. The Norwegian Food Safety Authority wanted a sample that would be sold to the public, and the sample they were given was toxic. No, it is not something against GP directly, but I mention this because it gives readers an idea of the how the company behaves. If someone lies/ cheats/ cuts corners at one thing, it is reasonable to think they would do the same with other things, no? So, my point here is if Rosita are willing to not properly clean their Ratfish oil (for whatever reason), are they not more likly to behave unethically elsewhere?

        I do follow this up by saying they claimed that they were tricked by the Norwegian Food Safety Authority, and it is up to readers to decide what they beleive.

        3 – The lab tests. Yes, WAPF did the tests in the UK, and GP did the tests with MidWest, thanks for pointing that out. Both results are published on the WAPF site where I link to. Yes, WAPF could well have changed results as you claim because the results are not origional reports, this is a concern of mine too. However, I feel that these results are kind of pointless now as there has been lots of other origional lab tests (Eurofins and MidWest) published on the quality of GP products. I simply add the ones published on the WAPF on here for the sake of the timeline, but if people are looking for more up-to-date results then there are better resources available.

        FYI, for a long time (not sure if it is still the case) but Rosita never published origional test data on their site, and only published what they wanted. I haven’t checked recently, but they could have made up their own results too.

        4 – Labelling. This is a highly controversial thing… I’ll admit myself that I do not know the details of labelling law in the states. My background is in Nutrition and Food Science, however, I have spent a lot of time looking for FDA definitions on health supplements and I cannot find much…What I have found is that cod liver oil is any oil which is derived from species of Gadidae, which includes many fish including Alaskan Pollock. This is in keeping with the fact that virtually ALL cod liver oil manufacturers will use a blend of many many cod related fish and can still legally call their product a cod liver oil. (I’ve covered this in a little more detail here: GP as far as I can tell is doing nothing that other aren’t.

        FYI – I really haven’t tried to be fair here (but thanks for saying it looks like I’ve tried). I have deliberatly tried to paint Rosita in a bad light because so many are doing the same to GP (yourself included) without all the info. I do not have all the info on Rosita, but I can speculate just as much as the next person. The contaminated oil is a great example of this. Rosita may well have been tricked, but if I don’t give them the benefit of the doubt, I can say they are making it all up. This is what you, CheeseSlave and many others have done to GP, so I was making a point with this post that anything can look bad with a little bit of information, and a lot of speculation. In fact, many of the GP bashers seem to have no understanding of lipid chemistry, which is really infuriating…

        Rosita as a company are not without their faults, and their actions and the actions of people involved with them do seem unethical and malicious. Perhaps they are not, but they come across that way. I think their product is good (as I have said elsewhere), but I do not like all the way they have conducted themselves in the last few years, which is why I have no interest in selling their products (FYI, have been in contact with Rosita even before they started botting their product, and was origionally interested in stocking it).

        Sure, GP are not without fault either, but I don’t see their behavious as malicious in any way. You clearly do, and I get that you don’t want to sell their products. When I first read the conclusions of Kaayla’s report I was ready to pull the plug on selling GP products too, but after spending time looking into the research, I can confidently say that I do no beleive that they are toxic or rancid in anyway.

    • DD 9

      Hi Craig. Any update on the case Rosita vs GP? Any new reports?

      • Hi DD 9,

        No new reports, but if there is any specific information you are looking for do ask and I will see what I can do.


    • Friederike

      Thanks so much for this article. We have been taking FCLO for a while, when I came across the negative report from nurishingandnutured. So I kept digging and found your report. It made me even more sure that FCLO is a good product. Sadly its not mentioned in consumer report,so more people could take advantage of it.

      • Hi Friederike,

        I am glad you found the article helpful. It is a real shame there is so much mis-information being spread. All the science shows this product is excellent, and there are 1000s of people who have found it helps too. All the negativity seems to spawn from greed.

    • Abhinaya Karthik

      Just wanted your unbiased opinion. I am a fan on GP FCLO and have been giving it to my 2-yr old. I noticed that he breaks into rashes and is really itchy and its taken me some time to understand why this is happening.. after some elimination method- this happens when he takes the FCLO. Have you had any other reports of this?
      I am thinking of trying Dropi.

      Many Thanks!

      • This sounds like a sensitivity to histamines (or similar amines). Babies are particularly sensitive to amines, and some babies can’t eat strawberries or tomatoes because these foods are amine liberators. Amines (like histamine) are part of our immune system, and trigger an immune response. People take anti-histamines for hay fever, for example.

        These amines are a produt of the fermentation process of FCLO. Some batches are higher than others. Some don’t even contain any amines. You may have just had a batch higher in amines.

        For most people, amines are completly harmless (even beneficial in some circumstances, but this is another topic all together). For your 2 year old, it sounds like he is particularly sensative to them, which is quite common in infants, and he will probably grow out of it.

        For now, I would remove the FCLO from his diet, or at least reduce the dosage. If you take FCLO yourself, when you get a new bottle in the future you could always see how he gets on with a small amount. He may have grown out of the sensitivity, or the new bottle may be from a low amine batch.

        Alternativly, as you have said, there is Dropi, which is also an excellent cod liver oil. As it is not fermented, there won’t be any amines in the oil, so your child shouldn’t react in the same way.

        I hope this helps, and if you have any more questions, please do let me know.

        • Abhinaya Karthik

          Thanks a lot Chris! I was just surprised because he does not react to any other foods that would be high in amines. Its just probably more concentrated in this batch of FCLO. I am still Breastfeeding, so I will probably take a larger dose so some can pass onto him without the amines.. and then I will try Dropi and switch back to FCLO when he is a bit older.
          Just really sad to not use FCLO:(

      • shumee

        Some people have histamine intolerance and can’t eat fermented food til their histamine levels go down. Me. Now that my levels are down, I can take FCLO again.

    • AnnMarie Michaels

      If it actually was “slander” as you say, how come there have been no lawsuits? It’s been 2 years. It’s only slander if it’s not true.

      • Pick one:

        – GP don’t want to stoop to your level and bicker with you.
        – You are shouting to an empty audience, so your claims have no impact on them.
        – Not everyone is obsessed with lawsuits (ironically, the world sees Americans as obsessed with suing each other. I am glad GP been drawn into this ridiculous practice).
        – GP have more important things to do.

    • disqus_1n1DLFGo3R

      So what cod liver oil should we take? It is about to start getting cold where I live and I am going to need it! This is all so confusing and disheartening.

      • Green Pastures fermented cod liver oil is fine to take – there is nothing wrong with it. However, if you do have concerns, a safe alternative is Dropi. Rosita, as far as I can tell, is also a good product, but because of their behaviour I personally avoid them.

        • disqus_1n1DLFGo3R

          Thank you!

    • shumee

      Rosita failed to answer a couple questions I had about their processing. Also, not sure how much of the product is EVOO but since 70% of olive oils are tainted, I would like to know where they source it from.
      I did see their ratfish product had higher than approved PCB (or some chemical) levels.
      I want to know if anyone has taken Rosita long term, like at least a couple years, and if their Vitamin D levels are good, have gone up or down on it.

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